Q:  Obviously your journey with McLuhan 
continued. Did you follow along with McLuhan’s 
journey from the world of literature into the world 
of cultural analysis, and did you think McLuhan 
saw that as a kind of stretch for him, or was it 
just a natural theoretical leap?

A:  There was a period particularly in the ’70s when 
I sort of lost touch or lost interest in McLuhan. I 
was interested in other things, I was very 
interested in the psychological theories of Rilke, 
and Freud and R.D. Lang, and other big names of 
the ’60s and ’70s. McLuhan always used to say 
that somebody like R.D. Lang—who was a cult